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The Money Stories We Don’t Talk About with Erika Wasserman (Ep. 37)

• Abbey Henderson, CFP®

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We all carry money stories. Some are empowering. Most are inherited. And far too many are quietly shaping our decisions from our bank accounts to our relationships without us ever noticing.

In this candid and emotionally intelligent conversation, Abbey welcomes Erika Wasserman, one of only 100 certified financial therapists in the U.S., to help us unpack the why behind our money behaviors and learn how to rewrite outdated scripts.

Whether you're navigating big life changes, trying to set boundaries with adult children, or simply ready to stop avoiding your financial truth, this episode offers tools to build confidence, clarity, and calm around money.

What to expect:

  • How childhood shapes your financial beliefs (and how to change them)
  • Why “talking about money” is still so taboo and how to make it easier
  • The role of boundaries in spending, giving, and self-worth
  • Small but powerful habits to build a healthier money relationship
  • And more!

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About Our Guest:

Erika Wasserman, the visionary CEO and founder of Your Financial Therapist, established the company in 2019 with a mission to transform how people view and manage their financial lives. As a Certified Financial Therapist (CFT-I™)—a prestigious certification held by fewer than 70 professionals worldwide—Erika blends her expertise in finance and international economics with her passion for empowering individuals, couples, and organizations to rethink their relationship with money.

She is also the creator of the innovative Let’s Talk Finances: Financial Wellness Conversation Cards. This unique tool features 50 thought-provoking questions designed to spark meaningful conversations about money, fostering financial clarity and emotional connection.

Erika’s academic credentials include a Bachelor of Business Administration (BBA) from the University of Florida and a Graduate Certificate in Financial Therapy from Kansas State University. Her work reflects a deep commitment to financial well-being, making her a trusted expert in financial therapy.

Voiceover: [00:00:00] Welcome to Wealth Beyond Riches with Abbey Henderson, CEO Wealth advisor and coach at Abaris Financial Group. In this podcast, we help generous, fun, and passionate professionals overcome their biggest financial concerns while leveling up their lifestyles based on their values. We do this by exploring the five levers, which represent the diverse resources each person possesses throughout their lifetime.

These levers encompass finances, health, mindset, relationships, and time offering a holistic approach to personal development and growth. Join us on this transformative journey as Abbey and her guests draw from years of experience to guide you in achieving your life goals while staying true to your values.

But that's not all. This podcast will equip you not just to build personal wealth, but also to understand how your prosperity can contribute to the betterment of the world around you. By exploring strategies for giving back and making a positive impact, [00:01:00] we'll empower you to create a life of significance and leave a lasting legacy of.

Positive change.

Wendy McConnell: Hello and welcome to the Wealth Beyond Riches podcast with your host, Abbey Henderson, where we talk about enriching your life in every way. I'm Wendy McConnell. Well, hey there, Abbey. How are you?

Abbey Henderson: I am so great. How are you?

Wendy McConnell: Oh, I am hanging in there. It's the dead of summer and it's hot

Abbey Henderson: and, and you have a new puppy, so you're outside A lot.

Wendy McConnell: I do have a new puppy and we're both hot.

Abbey Henderson: I bet. I bet.

Wendy McConnell: So we do have a guest today.

Abbey Henderson: We do. And I am so excited to introduce our listeners to Erika Wasserman, your financial therapist. She is one of only 100 certified financial therapist in the US and she is known for her engaging and relatable approach.

She transforms the taboo topic of money into actionable confidence, helping [00:02:00] individuals and teams navigate financial stress with clarity and ease. She has a global impact spanning corporate wellness programs and so exciting, most exciting her soon to be released. Book Conversations with Your Financial Therapist, which is coming.

We'll find out more, but it, I'm sure it's coming to all the places you can buy books this fall. And, um, she is re redefining what it means to build a healthy relationship with money. So welcome Erika.

Erika Wasserman: Thank you ladies. I'm excited to be here with you. I mean, let's talk money, right? It's exciting. Why not?

It's hot outside. Let's make it hot in here.

Abbey Henderson: Love it. So, uh, I always start out with this question 'cause I'm always curious how people ended up where they are today. So would you start by telling us a little bit about your. Journey to being a FI financial therapist and also what that actually means.

Erika Wasserman: Sure, you wanna come on a rollercoaster ride because I don't know about you, [00:03:00] but my life has not been a straight line.

Has yours,

Abbey Henderson: uh, straighter than most, actually, which I'm glad we have you on the podcast 'cause the rollercoaster is more interesting. Okay.

Erika Wasserman: I love that. I, it's rare to meet somebody with like a straight line. Um, we'll have to talk more about that. Abbey. I'm so serious 'cause my life has loops and twists and turns and, um, I grew up talking about money liking math.

You know, it was cool. My dad embraced it and going to the grocery store was always an a math adventure. You know, we try to figure out, you know, how much the grocery bill was gonna be and what the change was gonna be. So every time I was having interactions, we were just talking about money, and as I grew up, I ended up getting a finance degree because that was a natural path for me.

Abbey Henderson: Mm-hmm.

Erika Wasserman: And then from there, went and worked for IBM and consulting and had the opportunity to live around the world. So New York City, Japan had my first daughter overseas. China moved back home. So this is [00:04:00] like the rollercoaster eye where everything's going up, right? You feel the momentum going, awesome stuff are happening.

Um, and then big swoop down because what goes up has to come down. And I ended up getting divorced with three kids under the age of four. So now I had left my badass career in consulting. I had babies at home and was getting a divorce, so I had to reinvent myself and through our divorce process, I was a CFO of the FA family Finances.

So I was able to pull triggers and make decisions, not just for at the time when my kids were babies, but now they're teenagers. I got three kids in high school. I jokingly live in a sorority house at this point in my life. And uh, and I was able to think through things more rationally than what I was seeing others do and have done.

So fast forward 2017, my father passes away. I know where the binder is. I knew where the binder was, probably at 15 years old. 'cause we'd always talked about things. By the [00:05:00] time my parents, 50 years of marriage, it wasn't my mom's role. And so without knowing it, my mom came. My first client in financial therapy, started to help her build confidence, understanding.

And so when I heard the term in 2019, the lightning went off. I'm like, this is it. This is how I can help others. Talk about money. Don't ask me to run a marathon. Not my thing. You know what I mean? Like not a good runner. And during COVID, I watched this Gazelle woman run by me with like the matching outfit and the visor and the ponytail, swishing.

And I was like, head down. Could barely get to the end of the street. Not 'cause physically I couldn't mentally, I couldn't.

Abbey Henderson: Mm.

Erika Wasserman: And I realized that was my aha moment. I was training at that point to become a financial therapist was this is how people feel. Talking about money. Just getting to the end of the street was exhausting.

That woman that was running across, she had put in hours of work, she had done training, she [00:06:00] had obstacles and probably a sprained ankle at some point, and she still kept going. That was me talking about money. And so I got a graduate certificate in financial therapy, went to Kansas State, and then became certified through the Financial Therapy Association of one of a hundred in this field, because I wanna make talking about money, cool, approachable, and reduce the shame that money conversations often have in silence within ourselves.

What happens when we're shame or keep things in secret, they fester

Abbey Henderson: right?

Erika Wasserman: They become worse and a bigger problem down the road. And I'm sure Ybi, you, Abbey, you see it right? When clients show up for you, it's the after fact, right? Of shit. Now I gotta, sorry, you know, now I gotta, okay, now I gotta figure this out.

Versus if they would've come earlier to say, Hey, can we brainstorm this conversation? What are some options that we can do? It would lead them to [00:07:00] a better position generally in the long run. So let's make talking about money Cool and approachable and accessible.

Abbey Henderson: I love that. Um, you know, it's, it's funny when you sort of talk about the concept of things fasting.

Um, when I have that conversation with clients, it, it's also almost always going back to, well, what did you learn when you were, when you were a kid?

Erika Wasserman: So how did you learn money exactly. Most people look at me and they said, I did it. Right. Or I watched my parents, they didn't fight over money. Right, right.

You know, and

Abbey Henderson: that's their patterns. Right. So could you talk a little bit about how early childhood experiences do influence, influence relationships with money and, and what patterns that you often see in your practice?

Erika Wasserman: Yeah, absolutely. So we get our money beliefs from three main pillars. The first one you just hit on background, how your parents talked about money, didn't talk about money.

And it's really [00:08:00] interesting. Do, do you have children? I do not. I have nephews. Okay. So you'll see with the nephews, both of them are raised in the same house, but probably have different experiences or relationships with money.

Abbey Henderson: For sure.

Erika Wasserman: Again, I have three teenage teenage daughter. My oldest is 17, just worked this summer and she goes, mom, move $700 over for my 401k.

My other two haven't even cashed their paychecks yet. Right. So like we live in the same house, but their views around money are different 'cause how they absorb and observe different things.

Abbey Henderson: Right.

Erika Wasserman: So background is a big one, and again, in the same household you can have two people that have different backgrounds.

Abbey Henderson: Mm-hmm.

Erika Wasserman: Then we have religion and culture messaging. Money is greed. Money doesn't buy happiness. Men hold the finances. Which, by the way, half my clients are men. I was stunned when I started this practice because they're just supposed to know, right? They're supposed to be leaders in this. But again, [00:09:00] nobody's teaching.

Mm-hmm. And we're not learning. We're picking up habits of what our family members have done, who by the way, picked up habits from what their family members have done.

Abbey Henderson: Right?

Erika Wasserman: Then we add in culture first generation. I often see you are your parents' retirement plan. In the US right? If you didn't come over with a 401k, all of a sudden now you're responsible for your parents.

Mm-hmm. And if you get married, there are two different cultures mixing. You got, you got some fighting going on, and resentment oftentimes builds. And then the third piece experiences. So I'll give a stock as an example. You buy a pharmaceutical stock, it makes money. You are happy, you're gonna reinvest in that stock again.

Let's double down there without even looking maybe at the numbers. Mm-hmm. You buy a pharmaceutical stock, it tanks oof. That industry's awful. Don't put me in that. How many times do you see that?

Abbey Henderson: Oh, all the time.

Erika Wasserman: Nothing to do with the actual numbers. It's that [00:10:00] emotional tie to things. And then we're not supposed to talk about money.

So we have our background, our religion and culture messaging and our personal experiences with no opportunity for growth. And so people just keep following the same cycle over and over and over again. And that's where I come in to help break those cycles, to open up conversations and keep the things that are working really well for you, and also to help shift into some things that are gonna be better for you.

Abbey Henderson: Mm-hmm. Um, so if, if someone's thinking about their patterns and sort of where they learned about money and your three pillars. Um, what might be some signs that they are running sort of an outdated or unhelpful money story script.

Erika Wasserman: The first one is, do you feel confident in your relationship with money?

If the answer's yes,

Abbey Henderson: awesome. [00:11:00] Move on. Right? Like, I'm curious, how, how would you encourage a client to define confidence?

Erika Wasserman: Great question. Everybody's indivi individual, just like, are you confident in your body? Everybody's body type's different, but if you're confident opening up your bank statement, calling your financial advisor and just saying, Hey, can I check on on this?

Or can I ask a question that might make you vulnerable? Mm-hmm. That to me is confidence is a little bit of uncertainty, but you're not afraid to take action.

Abbey Henderson: Love that definition.

Erika Wasserman: Yes. Other story scripts that aren't working for you is you're noticing that you're having rifts and relationships with your aging parents, with your partner, with your kids.

Uh, with your boss, right? You're afraid to even bring up the conversation, or if you are the boss, you don't wanna talk about pay raises or cuts or bonuses. It makes you uncomfortable. There's an opportunity there to [00:12:00] grow your relationship, to be that confident leader so that when you do talk about money, you sit up straight or your shoulders go back, and if you don't have that, now's the time to work on it.

Abbey Henderson: Okay, so I hear not feeling confident money, sort of, or a, a script, or a story or pattern is, is that you're feeling uncomfortable around money. Anything else people should sort of be on the lookout for like, oh, this is maybe not a good pattern or not a good belief.

Erika Wasserman: I'm thinking, that's why I'm pausing. Yeah. I really wanna, right, because if you're avoiding things,

Abbey Henderson: that's a good one. What are you procrastinating on? Endlessly.

Erika Wasserman: Yep. Endlessly. Right? And it could be from buying a new car. Mine is going to the car service. I hate getting my car serviced. I feel vulnerable, I feel right.

Taken advantage of. And so I procrastinate it longer than I probably should. [00:13:00]

Abbey Henderson: Mm-hmm. And so,

Erika Wasserman: yeah, so if you're avoiding that or even going out to dinner with friends, I often see that because when the bill arrives, again, it's money. You don't wanna have that conversation. Or there's certain couples that you don't like to go out with because they're gonna order the third bottle of wine.

At a hundred dollars that you don't enjoy or wanna be around. Right. And so it's, it's noticing those moments and check in with your body. It's showing up somewhere.

Abbey Henderson: Right. Right.

Wendy McConnell: Eric, I had a quick question, if you don't mind. Um, of course I have found that people, like you had mentioned, don't wanna talk about money.

Um, I don't have an issue talking about money. I really haven't ever had an issue talking about money, but I don't have a lot of money. It seems to me the people who have more money don't wanna talk about it. So is there some kind of connection with that? No, not at all.

Erika Wasserman: Okay. Not at all. Not at all. It's more people don't wanna talk about money because they don't know [00:14:00] how to,

Wendy McConnell: okay, so

Erika Wasserman: I was at a bar.

Okay. So great ideas come in the shower and out with friends, right? And so, um, there was a couple next to me on their 10 year anniversary and they had conversation cards that they were doing. And I talked to everybody and I was talking to the woman, she's like, yeah, I don't wanna stare at him like, we're on vacation.

I wanna learn something new. And that's when I had the aha moment of the Let's Talk finances cards. Hmm. So they're on Amazon and what they do is help start those conversations. 'cause you don't know what questions to ask. And I want them to be more in a storytelling format than, why did you buy that plant?

And I had a, a couple that I was working with that would argue over gardening. Right? And because she loved to buy plants. And what we learned was in her storytelling, the plant, she grew up in New York City and didn't have a balcony, didn't have outdoor access. So for her, when she bought a plant, it was a sign of success.

It was a proud moment. [00:15:00] Another client was colorful fruit or vegetables in the refrigerator, grew up on white food, white rice, white pasta, beans, you know? And so for her and her partner didn't understand why they were overspending every month on groceries that they were just throwing away and they would fight over the grocery bill.

It had nothing to do with your grocery bill. So talking about money has nothing to do necessarily with the dollars and cents. It's the emotional ties behind it.

Abbey Henderson: And you're pointing to, one of the things I love, especially for couples, is the importance of like, once you've uncovered your money stories, actually sharing them with your partner.

Because to your point then it, it's no longer about the grocery bill or, or there's an understanding of the grocery bill that there's that connection to success or, um, or being around beauty or an agent, you know, whatever it is. But I, I have found, and I don't know if you'll agree that there's [00:16:00] uh, there can be more empathy when there's understanding between partners.

Erika Wasserman: That is exactly it. And now you mentioned it's summertime. We're going on road trips. We're out walking the puppies. Great. Opportunities to have conversations where you're not eye to eye. So what I find with people, when you have conversations, shoulder to shoulder works better or even back to back, right?

It could be a fun exercise, you know? Um, out walking the dog on a nightly evening, stroll on a drive. Let's start talking about, Hey, did you get allowance growing up? What did you do with it? Do you believe we should support? And these are some of the questions in the cards. Do you believe we should support adult family members?

Why? And all of a sudden you start understanding some patterns or, uh, experiences that have led them to that decision. So when the decision shows up, it's not a shock to you. Yeah. There's some empathy and understanding in there.

Abbey Henderson: And, and another thing you're pointing to that I love, particularly with [00:17:00] the do you think we should take care of family members is let's have this conversation now before the real question actually appears and we actually have to make up.

A real financial decision around it.

Erika Wasserman: Yeah. Listen, I just got off the call with a woman inquiring for me because she just did some prenup work for a second marriage and realize they don't align on finances. And so prenups are good opportunity to have those start those conversations. But unless you understand what's important for you and what triggers are important to you, then you can start negotiating.

Abbey Henderson: Right, right. Love it. All right, so we will put a link to those conversation cards in the show notes, because those are amazing along with the the book, which we're gonna talk about. All right, so someone has figured out I have this story or pattern and it's not serving me. Now what did they do?

Erika Wasserman: Yes. Now it's time to take some action.[00:18:00]

So in financial therapy, I do a flow versus this awareness. Ugh. I have a relationship with money. And again, think about when the, when the receipt comes, the, the bill comes at a restaurant. That's awareness. So you have a relationship with money. Next is assessment. What's working, what's not working. And then the third is actions.

Mm-hmm. And the fourth is, did I screw this up? Hold on. We got, we got top right corner is awareness assessment. Yeah. Oh, adjustments. That's what it was. I'm like, I know it's another A. Yeah. Actions and then adjustments. Right. Because let's see what's working, what's not. And we re redo the cycle. Yep. And so the actions could come in small things.

And in general, like I say, like it's, it's just like going to the gym or trying to lose weight. It's small, repeatable things. Mm-hmm. So an action could be setting a boundary around, I'll, I'll give an example. I was just working with a [00:19:00] woman, financial advisor, and she's done 20 plus stages this year. And I said, great.

How many of them are fee-based? How many are free? More than 50% were free. And she goes, I'm done doing free. Nobody's getting free anymore. Next year. It's, and then, then we started talking about what her mission and her purpose was. Mm-hmm. Well, it's to help women grow and have a voice in the financial industry.

So there might be some free opportunities that you wanna be at. Right. And so we then set a boundary around one free event a quarter. And so if somebody comes to you, it's not, no, I can't do it. I'm not doing any free events. It's Mike. I'm full for this quarter. Are you available next quarter or can I, slight, slight.

Can I slot you for next year?

Abbey Henderson: Mm-hmm.

Erika Wasserman: So those are the habits that we're talking about is, is adjusting them to what works for you that matches your values and your dollar amounts in business [00:20:00] and in personal life.

Abbey Henderson: So the, the deciding on, I'm gonna take however many free engagements is the action. And then what's the adjustment in your,

Erika Wasserman: the adjustment is after the first year, or, you know, yes, I wanna do two a year, you know, two a quarter, you look back, say, how did it

Abbey Henderson: work?

And then how

Erika Wasserman: do I wanna change

Abbey Henderson: it?

Erika Wasserman: Or one to a year, right? Yeah. You know, and so that's the as that's the assessment piece of it. The adjustment piece of it is, yeah, that worked really well. That felt good. Got it. Got it. Very cool. Can I jump back on that? 'cause I wanna send another like example and boundaries.

I see. Especially with like adult children.

Abbey Henderson: Mm-hmm. Oh, that's a good one.

Erika Wasserman: Expectations come around with generational wealth and. You know, back to Wendy's part, kids with with money, right? The conversations are a little different and you still stay on the cell phone plan, you still stay on the car insurance, you still stay on all of these other things.

[00:21:00] You know, you get an allowance every month. How do you have those conversations? And what I've seen is when you don't have those conversations, expectations take over. Yep. And so having the conversation or setting a boundary to say, at 26 we're gonna give you $15,000 a year, you know, or a thousand dollars a month.

You know, and, and that's gonna be used for X, Y, Z. We could pay for it, or I could give you the cash every month. But having that transparency is helping not only lower expectations, it also is starting to set up the next generation to start building their relationship with money.

Abbey Henderson: Mm-hmm. Yeah. As opposed to it just being sort of the, whatever the default is that happens without talking about it.

Erika Wasserman: Right. It's just easier. It's just the way it's been done. That's great. But at some point. A trigger is gonna happen. God forbid you die. God forbid, you know the credit, you know your credit gets frozen for some reason. Whatever happens, they don't have the skills. [00:22:00] So, and or the expectation changes. I've had that where clients come to me and say, my dad cut me off.

I was 30 years old and all of a sudden I was cut off. There was no communication leading up to that, from 22 to 30 to say. This is your opportunity to build wealth. This is how we're supporting you. But at 30 you're done, married or not, you know? Right, right. Um, and just like you would with a job mm-hmm.

You have expectations, you have rules, you have guidance to follow. The same is with conversations around money, so everybody could be on the same page and feel successful.

Abbey Henderson: Yeah. And, and I suppose in fairness, when you, when you think about, I don't wanna say all, but maybe even most. Friction in relationships.

It's from unclear communication and unclear agreement

Erika Wasserman: in every aspect. Right. We can take it from right tours around the house

Abbey Henderson: to everything in between. Right. Um, so I'm curious, and have [00:23:00] you seen, um, specific money stories or patterns that tend to be, um, gender based? So you're seeing it more often with women versus men or.

Or vice versa.

Erika Wasserman: Yeah. Women's confidence generally, because back to religion and culture, it's not instilled in women to be like, you will be the leader of your finances. Mm-hmm. It's oftentimes it's somebody will take care of you, you wanna go negotiate a car, I will come with you. I, you know, dad will do it for you, husband will do it for you.

And so all of a sudden, you're now single by choice, by divorce, by widow, whatever, and you don't have the confidence in yourself because it wasn't built into you. And so I always tell people that treat this like a new hobby.

Abbey Henderson: Oh, I love that.

Erika Wasserman: For some reason, I started using karate as an example. I don't know why.

I've never taken a lesson in karate, right? And so therefore, I'm not good at it, right? I'm not gonna be a black belt. [00:24:00] So we can't expect ourselves to be a black belt in finances. If you've never taken a lesson before or read a book or sat with an advisor taking a financial literacy class, don't put that expectation on yourself to be the black belt.

So take a deep breath and start it like you would a new hobby and start from the beginning and build and build and build and build.

Abbey Henderson: I love that. And you might not wanna be a black belt. You might love it and you might wanna, and you might not, and there might be a level that you feel confident and to your point, confident and you know, you bring people around you, probably professionals, but I suppose doesn't have to be, you know, that that can help guide you in a supportive way, not an I.

Tell you how to do it way,

Erika Wasserman: and this brings us back to the conversation we started with is how do you feel confident you could be an orange belt. And again, I don't even know the levels, but you could be an orange belt and be like, I'm an orange belt and karate and I'm proud of it. Right. And it's the same with money is like I [00:25:00] know enough to hire the right people to have around me that I feel confident that I can ask a question to.

Abbey Henderson: Right, right. Love it. All right, so hopefully we've motivated the listeners to start at least tiptoeing down this path of, of this. And I wanna end with talking about your book, but before we quite get there is, are there any other things other than your cards, sort of exercises or ways to approach this that you would want to suggest for our listeners?

Erika Wasserman: Yeah, so I'll leave it at, so to approach the conversation, I'll lead it actually into the book. 'cause I created a money mindset method that I wrote in the book. Financial therapy is relatively new. We need more tools. And so I'm a girl. If we need it, I'm gonna go find it. And if I can't find it, I'm gonna create it.

And so I created the money mindset method and it uses the word money to have repeatable conversations. It's five steps. And the one [00:26:00] thing that I'll leave you with here as a teaser to it is M for money. Is, make the conversation comfortable. The timing. Hey, running out the door to go play golf. Now's not the time to be like, um, so vacation.

Did you wanna book the tickets now? And are we going first class? And like, you're not gonna get the right response. So timing is important. Temperature, temperature of the room. Are you cold? Are you hot? Are you hungry? And tone of voice. So making the conversation comfortable, thinking those things through, Hey, when did we have a really good productive conversation?

Was it in the car? Was it at dinner? How can I replicate that to have this conversation? So start there.

Abbey Henderson: Love it. Alright, well, uh, tell us where our listeners can learn more about. You and your work, um, and tell us where we can find the cards and the book and tell us all the things about you.

Erika Wasserman: That's great.

Yeah, let's definitely stay in touch and [00:27:00] let's just start the conversation. Easiest way to do that is on my website, your financial therapist.com. There you can go on and find the cards that are on Amazon. Those are called Let's Talk Finances. Couples edition and a divorce edition. My joke is you don't do the first, first one, you'll need the second one.

So smart. And then the book also is a conversation through your financial therapist is on Amazon, Barnes and Noble bookstore.org, all the great places that you love to find your favorite books.

Abbey Henderson: And you can pre-order that now. And it comes out in September,

Erika Wasserman: is that right? Yeah, it'll be live September 17th.

I can't wait before you know it

Abbey Henderson: that I, congratulations. That's such a huge accomplishment.

Erika Wasserman: Thank you. I'm so

Abbey Henderson: happy for you.

Erika Wasserman: Me too. I feel like I birthed the baby.

Abbey Henderson: Yeah, I bet. I bet. And it might've been just as hard. Writing a book is not easy. I have learned a lot

Erika Wasserman: about this process, so I bet, uh, yeah, I'll be excited [00:28:00] to see it in front of me and hold it again.

Hold it like a baby. It's, it's, it's definitely, uh, sorry. It's definitely gonna be my little baby, so Yeah. I appreciate, I appreciate those that read it and enjoy it and hopefully learn something from it. But most importantly, just start the conversation.

Abbey Henderson: Love it. Thank you so much for joining us.

Wendy McConnell: Thank you, Abbey.

How can people get in touch with you if they have some questions for you?

Abbey Henderson: Uh, probably the fastest and best way is email, which is Abbey@abstfinancialgroup.com. But I can also be found on our website and Instagram and LinkedIn and Facebook and all of my, uh, links and Erika's will be in the show notes.

Wendy McConnell: All right, sounds good.

Well, thank you for listening today. Please like, follow and share this podcast with your friends. Until next time, I'm Wendy McConnell.

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